I'm still waiting until we find another intelligent species and ask what their religious beliefs are. Just to prove that our religions are non-sense, but knowing us people will just alter their religions or points so it's able to survive into the future.

Science keeps proving so much, and religion has to keep altering their points to keep up with the new information we discover. But there is still a question of whether there was a creator of the universe. But the age old point I will always address, then who created the creator? And if someone's argument is that God was always there, they are completely ignorant to a basic idea that they use against people to prove of God's existence.

We're able to prove that the universe can create itself because of gravity, but we still can't figure out what creates the law of gravity without mass. Then there is the functioning of progression and time, and so on.

But seriously....
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/up...s-universe.jpg

You can easily expect that image to grow more as time progresses and we can observe more of the known universe. I still laugh every time I see this image just because of how much sense it makes.

I still laugh at the idea of Jesus, a woman is suddenly pregnant and goes "Oh this is God's child." If this was modern day, that wouldn't fly. People now are going to go "Who the hell did you sleep with?" I do believe stories of Noah's arc are half truths, the size of his arc wouldn't fit one of each animal, but for people a boat this size would prove impossible to construct so the tall tale is easy to travel by, and because there is evidence of a great flood in the world it gives the story some believability because people will say "Oh I know about that flood that happen so many years ago." And when they retell the story and or share the story they could had alter the story "Mom? How big was the arc? 40 Arches? Okay? No wait 40 feet? 40 inches...? Okay."

We have older religions that predate Muslim, Christianity, Jewish, and so on. One example I always like to bring up is Greek gods, people easily believed in the gods and had a whole culture center around the religion of their belief towards them. But now everyone in Greece can easy attest that the gods were the work of fiction. What happen? People evolved, were able to climb Olympus to see there was no Gods living there, people could lie about meeting Athena and so on.

Then there's String Theory that suggests that our universe was a birth that came from another birth after another.
An amazing example from The Simpsons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPadNH0Lwyg

Then there's the idea that our world is a simulation like Tron that is run by people who in turn mastered, a more biological and or physic relating method of creation. If we humans are capable to begin making AI's and artificial world's like Tron, who's to say there could be a creator to do the same? And our world is a simulation to another and so on.

There was a movie that recently came out called Interstellar that talks about how gravity is needed to solve a majority of problems we may face in the future to help solve the solution to the human race's survival. They found that some sort of "other race" was sending wormholes to other universes and messages via gravity. It was later discovered that that race was us in the future who discovered how to manipulate gravity through science. But in the entire movie people thought these people were just gods, when in reality it was simply them from the future. While a lot of this movie was bullshit, it does show how easy it is for us to believe in a higher power, and it also shows just how big of a question Gravity is. Once we finally figure out Gravity it will essentially kill of the majority of questions of the universes creation and could literally kill off many religions.

So there is some humor and food for thought. xD Sorry for the wordy post, but I love talking about this stuff because it invokes a huge amount of thought and discussion.

Edit: Anyone willing to continue the discussion I have a ton of video games I'd love to bring up that share many points of religion and science. Oh and some videos of crackpot game theories that depict a lot of this information as well.

I can't read the entire post right now, but I read half of it, up to the Greek gods. Only reason being is that I'm hopping on before work. Someone make a post after me so that I can remember to come back and read the rest because I like this topic of discussion. XD

This is the third or fourth time I've tried to reply :P

Your comment, Illusion, sends my mind in multiple directions. I am unsure how far I can go in any of them. Pick one?

The Nature and Study of the Universe (Eager to learn)
The Value of Religion and Culture (I foresee a fruitless argument)
Interesting or Favorite Game Characters (Yay!)
Modern and Future Technology (*Does a jig of jog*)
Philosophy (I foresee more of the lack of fruit)

It was intentional, Nature and the Universe was my main topic when we talked about creation but it branched out a lot as it should.
I didn't want to be denouncing religion as I'm very supportive of most churches of all religions.(And I agree fruitless argument.) It's very touchy subject for some people, while it's a very intelligent and applaud conversation for others.
And the video games about religion/philosphy/universe was where I would continue the conversation by using references from games stories to further a discussion from what I already said. xD

Oh, that I'm good with. (Truth: Reply one was highlighting my views in the quotes of game characters...it was deleted, then I built a verbal description...it was deleted, then I posted the different options, and it was scrapped, corrupted, and then deleted...but the forth attempt to reply was posted)

So...I came up with:

Mordin (A spiritual medical doctor and geneticist Salarian who values culture as a sign of continued growth and thought in a species...and the destruction of those already living and of culture to be abominable...and who struggles over having made essentially a sterilization virus to keep another race in check as predicted by statistics)

The entire Mask of the Betrayer (If it still worked, I'd play it for eternity...it is the perfect 12-hour game for this sort of stuff...references to Maxwell's Entropy Demon...Dead Gods...A Crusade to effectively tear down a fate worse than Hell for "atheists" because it is unjust...Abandoned by parents...superstition...all in the Forgotten Realms area of Rashamen...the "self" and the "Mask"...)

Then, there's Aribeth, Fenthik, the King of Shadows...

As for other areas of debate, there are actually several Neverwinter Nights 1 mods...as well as the above Aribeth et al...that look into them. (In fact, several NWN 1 modules are better written than the campaigns...NWN 2 campaigns, on the other hand, are better written than the NWN 2 mods, but have several hakpacks that allow you to make and do awesome things...even though the graphics are rather poor in both of them...)

And, outside of Neverwinter Nights, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, World in Conflict, and Dawn of War...I am really coming up short.

@Illusion, in general I find the topic very interesting, besides philosophy I can do without that. XD I like talking about ancient cultures too, but mostly because of their influence in art and how they built/created things. :3

@Law
What, there's mods for NWN? I didn't know that. o.o

How else did two poor-graphics games survive for a decade? There is a small community who has made mods and art for the NWN style, like RPG-Maker games do for the Final Fantasy style.

Umm...here, the Neverwinter Vault...though after Gamespy crashed, several mods were lost...I have several that if I ever get the chance, I'll re-upload to it.

(What I've always wanted to do: Make a mod for Skyrim that included the original story of Neverwinter (with Aribeth and all...that made Aribeth a stronger character, expanded on Aarin Gend, Fenthik, the companions, and Nasher...etc...can you imagine Charwood using Skyrim's graphics? It would be memorable indeed!))

Also, THE HEX CODA!!!! Pandy and Six o'Clock! <3

(Other thing I'd want to do: get the Hex Coda finished)

I honestly didn't know there were mods, I had just been playing it as it was for years. o.o; Bookmarked it though because when I get it installed (again) I'll need that link for the patches since I don't think the server for that is still up?

Edit:
And that would be firggin awesome if you could play it with Skyrim graphics. o.o

One more thing I want to do is Let's plays of some of the mods...but my voice really sucks...
(Hint; Lawtan wants/hopes to do almost everything, hence the "7-headed Mythological Sea-Chaos dragon being my name" thing)

Ah, okay. XD I've done a couple let's plays, but I don't have a good recording program right now (mostly because I can't update anything right now >>; )

Oh, my program is freeware stuff, so...yeah...

Back on topic of interesting game characters, and spoiler for those who want to play Mask of the Betrayer...Kaelyn the Dove

Law you are speaking of a language I never heard of.. Your... Your talking about a video game, right? I think. And modding?
I lost track of what you were talking about....

lol, Illusion is silly. XD And that's kind of my fault. x'D

Yay! I confused the Great Confuser!

To see Law go overboard, as he usually does in NWN games, click the Spoil...

o.o
I'll be sure to poke you to find out the best ones for adding more content to the game. XD