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Lauv Keiko 02-12-2013 04:08 PM

I kinda like the classic versions~
the modern ones REALLY scare me. xD
*throws garlic at gall*

Gallagher 02-12-2013 04:18 PM

-gnaws on garlic-

I've been fascinated by sentient zombies for a long time now. It pleases me that they're starting to come out more.

Lauv Keiko 02-12-2013 04:20 PM

what's your opinion on Warm Bodies, though, gall?
It's a whole new thing though o3o


*throws gall a slab of uncooked steak*

Gallagher 02-12-2013 04:35 PM

-spits out garlic- -gnaws on steak instead-

I read the book a while back, when I first heard about the movie (which I haven't gotten to see yet).

It was good. Not a realistic way for zombies to be born, but the message was very nice, and it proved to be a satisfying take on the infliction in comparison to common issues that the day to day mindset modern life tends to give.

Lauv Keiko 02-12-2013 05:19 PM

My friend has told me to try watching it for the luls,
but my first thought about it was that, I don't want to think about zombies feeling anything, as much as I feel about vampires falling in love and having a child. O_o
I want to delve deeper into zombie stuff, I mean... it seems pretty interesting... xD

my mom has called me a zombie yesterday, dunno why though.


*throws a knife and a fork at gall* Use that! :'D

IronMaiden 02-12-2013 05:26 PM

Warm Bodies... I want to go see that, though some of the sense it makes doesn't make possible, yet the movie might make it make sense. XD

Old style zombies were actually the dead rising from the graves and coming out, attacking all. Now that became harder to understand how it could happen, so it was made with a virus. An injection. Then, it became more known as the virus lives within us, though I hardly doubt that. But I did make sense of it becoming like a common cold, the flu... etc. The virus will then be airborne, and there is nothing anyone can do.

There are many theories on how it could all work out and start. Though, you never seen any movies or books really on how it last, how people survive, like a future reference. Would there still be more zombies than humans? What other mutations would the average zombie might possibly have? Etc. Resistant Evil is a good example, yet some would disagree to that movie series. Any thoughts?

Maro 02-12-2013 05:52 PM

-rolls around in a sleeping bag-

Gallagher 02-12-2013 05:52 PM

I don't mind the idea of zombies feeling. It helps that I don't view them as evil beings, just out for their own survival and following instincts. If they were to somehow evolve past that, then good for them.

I don't doubt that humans would still survive (well, assuming it doesn't get airborne at least, then all bets are off. extending it to water and not just blood does enough damage.), and obviously kill off the most aggressive and dangerous types. If what's left is more advanced and we can figure out some way to get on, then why not?

But if it really just is reanimated dead and nothing more to it, we only have to survive 5-10 years to make it out.

Lauv Keiko 02-12-2013 05:56 PM

the whole classic idea of zombies is that they've been called by the devil from the grave to terrorize the living sh*t out of the live people.
o3o

Maro 02-12-2013 05:57 PM

Actually the real classic idea of zombies was based more around voodoo and such..

IronMaiden 02-12-2013 06:03 PM

Why do you say 5-10 years? Sure they are reanimated, as most scientist say, but there can be no sure way of them actually dying. Of course, Zombies are close to humans, their instinct is to feed to survive. Yet, without food they'll grow hungry in starvation. But their system is slower then the average humans body. So if a human were to starve themselves, they have at least 20 to 75 days to live, depending on their body weight, dehydration, etc. If we say zombies are like humans, yet their bodies react slower than ours, wouldn't it be lesser then 5-10 years?

Maro 02-12-2013 06:05 PM

If we follow the 28 days scenario their infected starved after another 28 days without food.

Gallagher 02-12-2013 06:08 PM

If they do have even prolonged decomposition, it won't matter if skeletons continue to be animated or not, they'll be weakened enough from that and their own bumbling around to be taken care of easily. And if they do starve, that gives more than enough time for that to happen as well. 5-10 years will cover most possibilities, including the time to build up proper survival camps for the long term if there's no starvation or decomposition.

Plan for longer scenarios, not the nice, neat month. -tugs at the fence-

Lauv Keiko 02-12-2013 06:14 PM

Is it really possible, you know, irl for a zombie apocalypse to happen?
Since viruses keep mutating or what not?
I guess it is, knowing that some viruses could make people look like living dead... ever know about the deadly "Necrotizing Fascitis"?
just...god. I'm not squeamish, but that made me sleepless for DAYS.

Maro 02-12-2013 06:17 PM

I live up north so during the winter they'd end up freezing, then it's just a matter of bashing them before they thaw out.

Gallagher 02-12-2013 06:19 PM

Northern areas would be an interesting scenario. Like you said, that would help, and surely the freezing and occasional refreezing process would help to destroy tissue. But then again, if they are subject to decomposition, it would slow that down, so while they'd be easier to deal with, you'd be dealing with them for longer. Especially if the cold slows their already slowed processes.

IronMaiden 02-12-2013 06:20 PM

Ah yes, survival camps and such. You make good thoeries there, Gallagher. I like the way you think. ^.^ I haven't really have had a talk like this in a long time, usually people are "It's impossible, never going to happen, it's stupid." Though, it will possibly happen, just not in our generation or whatever, but people won't talk about it like the possibilities.

Keiko, virus to be this deadly, would have to shut down the body completely, then revive itself.

I wondered about that too, since I live up north as well. Yet, you watch movies and such, they don't give away anything besides Canada being new haven. lol

Maro 02-12-2013 06:21 PM

Not really, we have winter, after winter, construction, and almost winter here for seasons.

So for the vast majority of the year they'd be frozen completely..

So depending on what time of the year they hit they will be somewhat easier to deal with and not be around as long.

Gallagher 02-12-2013 06:26 PM

For your area specifically, yes, but not all areas are like that, and you have to keep in mind things such as zombie migration and your own migration, if it should come to it. Your strongest plan should be for your own area, but you should also be prepared for if the need arises to go somewhere warmer or colder. What if the zombies born happen to do well in the cold? They certainly might not have issues with overcoming rigor, so.

The biggest mistake you can make is not putting thought into other scenarios. -starts digging under the fence-

Lauv Keiko 02-12-2013 06:30 PM

D: so gall, what if it's in warm places like the tropical countries? (especially where I live)
what would be the effect?

IronMaiden 02-12-2013 06:30 PM

I just think, it'll slow them down, especially with the snow falls we get, not even someone with powerful leg strength could get through a foot of snow. XD

Unless of course they start to climb and become crawlers, etc.

But seeing how our bodies are in the winter time, even if we know it's cold and stay out a bit too long, we get frost bite and become numb. As for zombies, as we know have no feelings and their brains aren't meant to realize pain, just keep going for food, food of what moves.

They have no common sense, no little person talking in their head telling them whats right or wrong, what's goo for them what's not.

Maro 02-12-2013 06:30 PM

-pours some concrete under the fence-

You do have a fair point but if worse came to worse I honestly don't know if I'd want to survive the zombie infestation...


Really warm places would speed up their decay.

Iron, I'd laugh if zombies were up in Nunavut and Labrador, if you want to commit suicide you just walk outside and breathe in during the night.

Gallagher 02-12-2013 06:35 PM

If decomposition is in play, then they would break down significantly faster, maybe in as few as 2 years instead of the 5. In contrast, heat wouldn't really delay them as much as snow and cold, so I'd put my bet on ones with more energy, so they'd be more dangerous while they do last. Most especially in areas with plenty of wildlife (though that goes for more than warm areas) as, if their starvation gets to a point where they hunt animals (a possibility which must be taken into account, too), the more game, the less you can count on waiting it out.

Another thing to take into account here is the effects the weather would have on human survival. What places would be better for the production of food, where would the temperature allow for more armor in case of direct contact, how would you cope to the extremes. A nice winter place takes on an entirely new meaning if there's no electricity or heat, and it's dangerous to go out for firewood regularly.

IronMaiden 02-12-2013 06:37 PM

See, those place where we are close to, Zombies would then have to breathe. Yet, it is not know if they actually breathe or not? If they could survive without breathing? I think if anything that were to make a noise, they would then have to breathe, but zombies are difficult in that situation. If you were to shoot or stab someone in the chest and they come back as a zombie, yet their lungs are punctured, would they still be able to go on without breathing?

Maro 02-12-2013 06:38 PM

Iron, hun, I didn't mean the fact they are able to breathe or not..

I meant the fact it is just that cold, that someone with no way of controlling their body heat, would freeze in a matter of moments.

IronMaiden 02-12-2013 06:41 PM

True, lol

But take everything in to play, every detail to know and learn. Yet, with our winters, they are getting worse as time goes on and lasting longer. XD

So, in some cases, we would need heat, fire, etc. With none of that, we wouldn't last a winter and nor would the zombies. XD

Gallagher 02-12-2013 06:43 PM

I tend to go under the assumption that breathing is not needed. And that eating isn't really either, but they do it from instinct more than need.

If properly prepared for everything, I'd rather deal with a cold survival. But the amount of prep isn't likely, so I'll stick to milder areas with regular risk.

Has anyone ever considered the possibility of zombies that aren't killed with any old headshot? People can sometimes survive them as is.

Maro 02-12-2013 06:47 PM

If it doesn't hit the brain stem they are more likely to survive people just enjoy the fact of "boom headshot" kinds of kills.


I'm from Newfoundland we're born preparing for the winters,eheh..

IronMaiden 02-12-2013 06:55 PM

That is true, and actually the back of the head where the brain is connection to the spine in a way, so more likely to kill anyone and probably any zombie. Just can't really say a head shot would kill them instantly.

Maro 02-12-2013 06:59 PM

They'd most likely survive long enough for their body and/or brain to realize the signals are no longer being sent. Beheading victims take up to 18 seconds before they die after all.

IronMaiden 02-12-2013 07:23 PM

I have seen on some shows, like The Walking Dead, where the zombie has no body, yet the brain is still active and wanting to eat. But I belive that would be because the soft part which is at the back of the head is still there, so not yet killing the zombie, as earlier with head shots.

Maro 02-12-2013 07:26 PM

If you look at the movie Day of the Dead they showed that as long as the brain stem is intact the zombie can more or less function.

Espy 02-12-2013 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gallagher (Post 1491994)
You underestimate the number of different virus strands we've had around here. You'd better be careful. Suzerain and Ashy are zombies like me. Don't let them fool you.

Besides that, I wasn't entirely human when I was infected, either. You only know what happens to humans. Some of your 'survivors' could be secretly infected, and you wouldn't even know.

-eyes Espy-

At least I am kind enough to be honest.

Hey, I am quite alive, thank you.

Maro 02-13-2013 04:40 PM

-snickers quietly- That's funny.

IronMaiden 02-13-2013 05:22 PM

Well, all I have to say is, everyone is alive here in the forest of zombies.

lol

Maro 02-13-2013 05:24 PM

-curls up in a sleeping bag-

IronMaiden 02-13-2013 05:39 PM

Awe, Maro's tired... Poor thing.

Maro 02-13-2013 05:54 PM

-yawns softly- So sleeepyy...

IronMaiden 02-13-2013 05:57 PM

Then you should go to bed, my dear.

Maro 02-13-2013 06:05 PM

I can't it's too early ;////;


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