Thanks Espy, and don't worry about sounding harsh. Critque is critque you can't make it sound nice. And the thing with ears is I can't draw them. O.o at all, they are worse then my pathetic little hands.

And well obviously this picture wil have the same problems as this one because they were drawn at the same time. :D I'll get to fixing that but for now you can look at the original. Also I am aware that the wings aren;t right I'll fix that with the other stuff you mentioned.

but if there is anything to fix it'd be nice to know, please?

-cusses- I pressed ctrl+w instead of shift+w, and my comment-in-progress poofed...gimme a bit.

You have all the time you need, Espy. I'm redrawing parts of both this piece, my example, and rping with Choco. And let us not forget Angel's piece I'm doing right now.

Ok. So. -twitches at the deleted-ness-

Fingers and fingertips will go way past crotch-level. Just throwing that out there...

Waist and hip transition isn't too bad, just has to be wider (also looks slightly crooked?)

Take a look at your wrist. There's a bone that looks like it juts out. It actually is in line with the rest of your arm; it's your hand that's offset by quite a bit.

Middle of upper arm, and the lower part of the lower arm: They should be thinner. Take another look at your lower arm. the outside and inside actually form S-shapes...sort of like the integral sign in calculus... /shot for math reference

From the front, the elbows are actually wider than the rest of the arm.

*loves on Espy for math reference* And now to rebuild. :D

And the reason it looks crooked (Is refering to hip/waist transition) it because of those lines on her skin, makes an almost optical allusion type of thing.

And how bad is it that I'm completely loving how you tear apart my art? I should be hating you for it or something but instead I'm sitting here excited to hear you say what I did wrong.

Didn't mean to tear it apart >__<

Well, I'm just really blunt sometimes. But I'm glad you like (?) it, sort of...had my share of douches going "IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THEN DON'T SAY ANYTHING!"

Goddamn, it's not that I don't like it. Grow up and learn to accept critiques and criticism, jeez.

/not impressed.

But seriously, I might be overly...yeah...sometimes. Haha...

i find it exciting too

Why...uh...thank you o.O;

so pleeeaaase~?

Please...uh...

...what? I got lost in homework.

I like it when people tear apart my work, Espy, so it was a compliment. I can't get better unless people tell me what I do wrong. And I say if you don't like it, tell me what is wrong and I'll fix it. :)

Here is the newest version:http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/...t=SCAN1561.jpg tattoos are missing 'till I sure I've gotten the body good.

never mind^^: you obviously are not comfortable with my asking, i'mma go back to lurking now, bye

No, seriously, Choco, I lost you question.

EDIT: GAH wait wait wait, are you asking me to critique? Because if you are...trust me, I went through your dA some time ago and there's really nothing a can add to it.

He was asking you to critque. He always asks us to do it, and one little hint when doing it. Count the fingers ;)

That's not bad, Dark. If you had more space on the paper (looks like you reached the edge), I would said to pull the hips and waist down a bit more because right now, her ribcage stops at the bottom of the breasts.

Shoulder width is still too large for torso width, but you're getting better.

Last bit: This is probably going way too deeply into anatomy and structure, but imagine that the angel wings are shaped to your arm. the drawing is missing the whole "upper arm" portion of the wing, but that...technicalities. Unless you really want me to go on about that XD

...count the fingers? what?

XO don't count fingers!

I actually get that Espy, cause of my foundness for bats and how their wings are like arms and all that. But the wierd thing about Tris wings are that they are actually part of the arm not as a back apendage, so I moved the wings up to the back so I could draw them a bit easier. And I'll try and change the shoulder width.

@Espy, choco has a tendency to leave someone with only four fingers on one hand. Almost no one catches them so be carefully to always count the fingers. ;)

Fingers? -looks down- I've five. Oh wait, my thumb doesn't count.

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POLYDACTYLITY FOR THE WIN. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I SPELLED THAT RIIIIIGHT~

Oh, you're right, but they only look like they're part of the arms. The "upper arm" part of the wing (that avi's wings) seem to go downward at first and are probably hidden by the shoulders. So they're starting near the shoulderbladed and go down.

XD don't lie it was only once

Which confuses me. O.o So my drawing's wings don't go down to make it easier on the poor drawer. Though I guess I should move the one wing inward so it is even with the other.

Choco, one of the two pieces of art I have seen while completly awake. I'm not counting that one I completly messed up counting fingers on. So according to what I have seen 50% of you drawings end up missing fingers. :D Can't fight the numbers.

Er...

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I think I meant, move them down a tiny bit and out.

XD how can i fight logic like that?

You can't Choco. :D
Wait a few minutes, Espy, I might have it scanned in again by then. *Crosses fingers*

EDIT: Got it done, are these shoulders more satisfactory? http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/...t=SCAN1562.jpg

*sits down and scooches across thread floor* mine now~

Oops. Late reply; sorry.

I think they're better, yeah :)

if you fixt the forearms i will buy art from you<3

How do you suggest I do that? Tell me how to do it and I'll do it.

And no buying, I give my art.

i can only /show/ i am sorry, if i could draw on it i could share

Try to explain? Should I get rid of the tapering at the end, should I make the stansition shaper, make the edges harder?

thicken the part where it meets the elbows, round the elbows out angle the arms so that they match the shoulders, lengthen them near the wrist and put the right side one in /front/ of the belt thing

I think I got that. I scan it in and you'll tell me if I got it right.

Edit: http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/...e/SCAN1563.jpg there that should be the right one

^^: yeah, i am no good at direction at all

@Angel, Hi, and nice art ;)
@Choco, so I did it right. SO what would you like me to draw now?

not really, i think you are better listening to espy

I noticed I forgot to smooth out something and Angel, I'm into the nitty gritties of your's so far it is running smoothly though.

I have added a contest now for those interested while I work on Angel's commision. Plus, I may be added buttons for signatures, we'll see how well it works. ;)