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Espy 03-21-2012 12:11 AM

I don't think that tux is gonna happen, you know XD

...I call everyone "guy" in a general sense. Don't worry, I'll just find it amusing/appreciate it.

Fauxreal 03-21-2012 12:19 AM

Dumb computer - I wrote a whole nice response!

Anyway - I went to prom with a girl. She was a friend form another school and I wanted her to come with our group! We went to an awesome goth club afterward instead of staying for the dancing.
I was dressed like a goth 20's starlett. Feathers! <3 I loved that outfit... I think my sister stole it.

Espy 03-21-2012 12:26 AM

The problem is, our ball costs 170 per couple...and you can't buy single bids...so my mom'd know if I didn't go or something >.>

Trakadon 03-21-2012 12:27 AM

I'm the only born male in my family in past 3 generations so I grew up around a LOT of girls so I am pretty aware of the "gender roles".

Oh the scares I have = .=''

On a side note I think the majority of my cousins and aunts were hoping that I would be homosexual o .O''

Espy 03-21-2012 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trakadon (Post 1099873)
On a side note I think the majority of my cousins and aunts were hoping that I would be homosexual o .O''

...-holding in laughter-

Trakadon 03-21-2012 12:33 AM

Well the jokes on you~! I'm just a pervert o .o b

Espy 03-21-2012 12:35 AM

I--

...-out of arguments-

Trakadon 03-21-2012 12:39 AM

Wins conversation by claiming he is a pervert.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...diemercury.png

Espy 03-21-2012 12:44 AM

Can...can I be your protege? D:

Trakadon 03-21-2012 12:51 AM

Sure XD

Your first task is to master the art of one liners.

Or master the art of overly detailed and irrelevant explanations of random events that may or may not have anything to do with what anyone is talking about.

Espy 03-21-2012 12:57 AM

....you've already lost me.

Trakadon 03-21-2012 01:02 AM

Then I have done my job = u= b

Fauxreal 03-21-2012 01:26 AM

You can't be worse than me.

I just hide it well... very well.

Unless you are actually a 14 year old boy. Then ~ maybe...

Kiddiss 03-21-2012 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Espy (Post 1099881)
Can...can I be your protege? D:

That would make you a "pre-vert" ^_~

Espy 03-21-2012 02:46 AM

-ebrae?

/should stop making word jokes

Trakadon 03-21-2012 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fauxreal (Post 1099953)
You can't be worse than me.

I just hide it well... very well.

Unless you are actually a 14 year old boy. Then ~ maybe...

Challenge accepted >:O

Kiddiss 03-21-2012 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Espy (Post 1100034)
-ebrae?

/should stop making word jokes


LOL
But...but...why stop making word jokes? That was pretty good >.<
Oh, wait, off topic isn't allowed here, huh? *sowwy*

Back on topic- when I first met my husband-creature, we hung out with a group of friends off all guys except me and one other female person (she was my friend for a few years before she introduced me to "the gang"). I say "female person" because although she was married to a man, she didn't follow any of the "gender rules" of a "girl". She was having affairs with women, dressed in men's clothing, and kept her hair cropped very short. She had the appearance of what was referred to back then (1999) as "butch".
I, on the other hand, was teased by the gang and called "prissy" because I wore makeup, styled my hair, and liked to wear skirts & fishnet stockings (albeit with stomper boots- but everything above the boots was "girlie").
I played Magic: The Gathering, D&D, collected comics, loved love Star Wars and Star Trek (my first Con was Star Trek in Vegas in '99), was a video game junkie (old school stuff- pre-NES, though I did own and play an NES at the time), and hung out in collectible comic/toy shops- which is where I met my friend who introduced me to the gang. I would say the only major hobby I had that was different from the guys was that I collected Barbies - but one of the guys collected Barbies, as well. Oh, wait... I did do one thing none of the guys did: I loved going clubbing AND pubbing. I was a Dart Bitch (no, really, I have several sets of flights that say "Dart Bitch" on them LOL).

So, even though I was a tomboy, I was called "prissy" because of my appearance. I was slightly offended. Was I wrong for being offended? Should I have taken it as a compliment? Should I have just shrugged it off because I am a heterosexual female?

littl3chocobo 03-21-2012 03:37 AM

i half understand you XD my sex is fixed though my gender actually flip-flops, sometimes i feel distinctly male, sometimes i feel exceptionally female and occasionally, like right now i sort of waver the fine line of ambiguity. i am not sure if at this late date one more 'live and let live' post is really helpful or even needed but all the same, my cowboy shirts lay in the same pile of supposedly clean clothes as my peasant skirts XD

Espy 03-21-2012 10:05 AM

I...uh...there're a few long dress-ish shirts that my mom bought for me that I haven't touched. I mean...I suppose I'll wear them sometime, just not...now.

I guess you can say the "cute" (...or what my friends perceive as cute, although I can tell you now they're utterly mistaken) side of me is the more girly side?

Trakadon 03-21-2012 03:07 PM

o .o...

Espy has a girly side o .O

I think someone got awfully close to dividing by zero

XD

Espy 03-21-2012 08:07 PM

.....Shush, Trak >.> It's not the usual...eh...really girly kind of girly.

Rinni 03-28-2012 10:24 PM

When it comes to gender... well, duno if this is odd or not, but here goes nothin. Somedays, I feel like a girl, and others, I feel like a boy. I really don't put much thought into it, really. Just kinda go with it. It's never really something I really stress over; my family dun care one way or the other, so never had to worry about them getting mad about it.

The way I see it, as long as what you're doing makes you happy and isn't hurting anyone, it shouldn't be looked down upon. Gender roles are just... bah. I never got the reasoning behind them.

(( I'm also physically a girl. Just the mental part that flip-flops. XD ))

Ultima 03-29-2012 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rinni (Post 1111180)
When it comes to gender... well, duno if this is odd or not, but here goes nothin. Somedays, I feel like a girl, and others, I feel like a boy.

That's not odd at all. Plenty of people feel that way. You are not alone =3 Some terms you may want to look up are bigender, genderfluid, genderbending/blending, genderqueer (that's what I am), and genderfuck. That might help you out. I know it helped me discover who I am =3

And even if you don't think any of them fully apply to you, that's okay too. Plenty of people make up their own terms or choose not to even label themselves at all.

Again, what you've described isn't "odd." There are many people who live in the 'inbetween' or the 'grey area' of gender.

Guh, sorry. I like to talk about gender ._.;

Pinkie 03-29-2012 02:25 PM

Oh my....Well for pinkie ever since a young age she was the same as you but different I guess. Al long as I can remember I have wanted to be a male. To the fact that from about the age of ten I started saving to pay for my own sex change. Everything about me screams male. The way I act, dress, speak...my perverted mind hehe....but then I met my bf and things slightly changed.

I am still my crude, weird male looking and dressing female that I have been for many many years now. I got alot of flack from alot of people because of this even from my own parents with my father telling me "Im supposed to have three girls not two and a son" he told me that the day I shaved my head lol.

All I got to say is really just be who you want. I have so many people in my life that are one thing then act like the other lol and I wouldnt change anything about them for the world. I am sure your great and awesome how ever confused you are.

My friend Mat is like that...well I should say was like that until I took him to the gay bar one night...now hes a drag queen at the bar and some times its hard to tell if he is male or female but my love for him will never change.

My advice to you is that yes it may take some time to get used to the fact or to know what you want but when you know and you embrace it dont let anyone change your mind for its what you want!

Espy 03-29-2012 04:42 PM

Did I mention, I'm getting to that awkward time when I DON'T KNOW WHETHER TO REFER TO MYSELF AS HE OR SHE. On the internet, I mean. Fun stuff >.>

And my friends are still tossing "feminine boy", trap, and reverse trap jokes at me. It's actually pretty funny, tbh.

Coda 03-29-2012 05:26 PM

Yeah, you mentioned it. Truth be told I've had that uncertainty with you for a while.

Espy 03-29-2012 05:29 PM

o.O; Really? Most people say they can tell by the way I talk.

Echo-chan713 03-29-2012 07:04 PM

Well I can't tell by the way you talk on trisphee.

I'm a girl in Real life and on tris. I changed my avi to male and no one really seems to notice it

Coda 03-29-2012 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Espy (Post 1112924)
o.O; Really? Most people say they can tell by the way I talk.

IMO the way you talk is pretty neutral, possibly even slightly on the masculine side in the interactions I've had with you, and your avatars tend towards ambiguity as well. I suppose it might make a difference what subject matter is under discussion.

Rinni 03-29-2012 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultima (Post 1112352)
That's not odd at all. Plenty of people feel that way. You are not alone =3 Some terms you may want to look up are bigender, genderfluid, genderbending/blending, genderqueer (that's what I am), and genderfuck. That might help you out. I know it helped me discover who I am =3

And even if you don't think any of them fully apply to you, that's okay too. Plenty of people make up their own terms or choose not to even label themselves at all.

Again, what you've described isn't "odd." There are many people who live in the 'inbetween' or the 'grey area' of gender.

Guh, sorry. I like to talk about gender ._.;


No need to be sorry; it's an interesting subject to discuss. :3

I've heard of some of those terms, others I have not. Looks like I know what I'll be looking up later. As far as labels go, I usually just stick with the label of "me".

kitkitthecat 04-28-2012 12:18 AM

I'm a girl and I don't like:
-the color pink
-romance novels and films
-Justin Bebier (how ever you spell it)
-the Twlight series
-the latest teen boy hottie

Espy 04-28-2012 12:34 AM

Ok. Pink. Ew. -headdesks multiple times-

My mom has always been confused at my hatred of pink. I had a pink and purple era when I was, what...four, and then looking back, I wonder why I didn't vomit skittles back then.

Told myself I'd never get into the whole red and black trend, but...yeah. -shrugs-

Romance stuff...to be honest, I don't do movies in the first place, and romance stuff often seems awfully sappy to me. Ah well. The occasional humor/romance (like The Pirate Balthasar) is okay.

First time I heard Justin Bieber, I could've sworn he was a girl, I kid you not. Never was interested in his songs Not my style. Hate people who try to force the Bieber-fever stereotype on all girls. I mean, I don't hate him; I don't hate too many famous people anyways, but...meh.

I actually kind of the like the first Twilight book. Second was crappy. Third was better than the second. Fourth was...eh. Haven't seen the movies and don't really intend on watching them. I hate it when people bash on the series. It never did nothing to you, seriously. It's not too bad.

"Latest teen boy hottie". Uh.........I honestly don't even know who that would be. Ha. Haha. Haaaah. I'll stay with being a fan of non-existent people, tha you very much.

My friend and I were talking about this today. I figured, if her friend can describe himself as a lesbian, then I suppose I could describe myself as a gay guy trapped in a female body. Sort of. ...Yeah.

Oliver8607 04-30-2012 12:39 AM

Gender rules are over rated a person should be who they want to be and totally rock it however they want :)

Espy 04-30-2012 12:42 AM

That's a bit hard when you're in a conservative-as-shit school and people'd look at you funny.

Oliver8607 04-30-2012 12:47 AM

totally understandable know that from experince but when it comes down to it they are temporary who you are and being happy with yourself is a permanent kind of thing :)

Espy 04-30-2012 12:48 AM

Yeah, for now, I'll just keep it to myself and Trisphee. My parents don't exactly get it.

Rinni 04-30-2012 09:38 AM

I guess I'm kinda lucky. My grandma, who pretty much has been a mom to me most of my life, never tried to force me to be girly. She accepts me for who I am for the most part, and I think that's why I was able to grow into the person I am today.

My school, on the other hand....yeah. Elementary school was fun. Had to talk to the counselor about why I was fine playing the "right" way with the dolls and kitchenette set one day and then insisted on things "too boyish" for me the next day, like kickball and Hotwheels. Or why I'd be fine with dressing like a proper little girl one day, then looking like a boy the next. THat went on from kindergarten till third grade....didn't see what the big deal was then, and I still don't. 9_9

Luckily, it was only the teachers. The kids around me, especially my friends, didn't see anything wrong with it. Some thought it was weird, but I didn't get any hating for it.

Coda 04-30-2012 10:42 AM

As a girl you get away with it more easily. Boys have it harder. There are some stereotypically-girl things you can get away with as a boy, but others will draw all the wrong kinds of attention.

My son is four. He's pretty interested in boy things like cars and trains and power tools, but he also likes playing kitchen and he's a big fan of the Lego Friends collection, and I keep having to tell him "no" when he says he wants Twinkle Toes shoes. (Because they're expensive!) As his parent, I think it's great that his interests are so diverse. But I do have a fear of him having to deal with the kind of bullying I got when I was a kid. I'll stand up for him, for sure, because I WANT him to be free to choose what he likes, but that doesn't mean I'm still not going to be heartbroken if it happens.

SilverPhoenyx 05-07-2012 04:20 PM

My husband and I both fall out of the male/female dichotomy. He and I are a perfect mesh of both male and female. everyone has aspects of both inside of them, it is all in whether you choose to embrace it or not.

HABIT 05-08-2012 02:57 AM

I, myself, do not like to be referred to as either gender online usually either, unless it's some jerk trying to say I'm homosexual or something, pretty much all of my cosplays have have been crossplays and I liked boy things like professional wrestling back when it wasn't cool for a girl to like it. I mean, back when I was a kid, things that were for boys were strictly for boys, that seemed to change to more accepting for girls to like boy things when I grew to be a teen, but it didn't seem to change much for boys.

So, you'll find support from me no matter what.


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