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Gallagher 11-22-2013 01:50 AM

Yeah, sorry bro, he really doesn't have a name. It isn't that none of them know it, therefore I am refraining from using it... he literally does not.

Also, lol, you might wanna take care of your blip with character names there. Salone isn't in the rp. his Lev is, but.

I can never get over how much I love that wolf's processing thing you do.

Suzerain of Sheol 11-22-2013 01:53 AM

Poor Salone, getting dragged through the 4th wall and devoured by vipers. Ruined his night!

Suzerain of Sheol 11-22-2013 01:55 AM

Also, where are Thomas' soldiers running off to exactly?

Lawtan 11-22-2013 01:56 AM

I don't know. Thomas had them stop and follow a group of snakes, if I recall. I assumed that was away from battle, so sent Kadia to follow.

*falls out of chair laughing at the Salone comment*

Suzerain of Sheol 11-22-2013 01:59 AM

The snakes are centralized on us. There's no snake espionage going on here. :P

I meant they we were wading out into the room and killing them.

Salone 11-22-2013 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Suzerain of Sheol (Post 1600202)
Poor Salone, getting dragged through the 4th wall and devoured by vipers. Ruined his night!

Aye. I was enjoying a nice cup of Peppermint tea in a cup emblazoned with my favorite railroad company's insignia (It's the Pennsylvania Railroad, by the way), and then I just go crashing through this wall and there's snakes and screaming and blood and whatnot. Rather ruffled my feathers, it did.

But no Lawtan, Lev is there, but Salone is not a character involved. Would just strike it from the post whenever you get a chance.

Espy 11-22-2013 02:06 AM

Posted. Going to sleep. Hopefully he won't be dead by the time I wake up.

Suzerain of Sheol 11-22-2013 02:08 AM

I imagine Thomas will grudgingly heal him, but it might not feel very good. :P

Espy 11-22-2013 02:09 AM

Well, I guess it's either that or Rurik's healing, yeah? I mean, if people rummage through his pockets enough, they'll eventually come across two syringes of Water of Eden.

Lawtan 11-22-2013 02:10 AM

Rurik can help without others...just is more effective the other way.
*Note, may be wise for someone to help Rurik keep Dante alive...mainly because I may not be able to post much tomorrow...
Night, Espy.
I think that fixed it...
*Still laughing over how my "sugar-sleepiness" (Eat too much sugar = sleepy/drunk effect...including headache...) pulled Salone into the world of Hell.
Kadia: Hmm...who was that attractive character who poofed in and out all of a sudden...

Espy 11-22-2013 02:11 AM

Figured you all'd appreciate my new title. Now, off to...uh...drag myself home.

Quiet Man Cometh 11-22-2013 02:46 AM

Umm, I hope I'm not being too critical here but it doesn't seem terribly realistic (even though we are in hell) to have Kadia grab something out of Rurik, open it, put in *2* IVs and have anti-venom work in the maybe minute or two that has passed since the vipers exploded from the angel. (I've had a whole lot of IV's and a hell of a lot of needles in general).

Just me nit-picking again...

That said, peppermint tea sounds great right about now. :)
*goes off to rummage through tea collection*

Lawtan 11-22-2013 02:54 PM

...it is the future. I'd predict that IV's/Injections will be sped up like many other things for the future. (Knows IV's take hours/days)
Rundown on venom
1/2 resisted
1/3 neutralized
1/3 pumped out
Yes, that is over 100%

...will anyone mind Rurik picking up Dante to carry to Kadia/Thomas?

Suzerain of Sheol 11-22-2013 03:35 PM

Galla don't read this.



Anyway, that's more or less the sort of thing I mean when I talk about consequences in writing. Just cause it's in a Sci-Fi or Fantasy setting, doesn't mean realism doesn't apply. It's actually more important than in other genres, since you're already asking your audience to buy into a whole bunch of crazy hypotheticals (what if God was dead, and the barriers between Heaven and Hell were deteriorating, and humans had to become monsters in order to survive, etc?) you need to give the readers some kind of grounding, and you do that in the little things like starting an IV that they can relate to.

And, she's very lucky that Thomas thinks so robotically -- she's human, and hasn't actually abetted a true AI, so her only real offense is reacting the way she did, he doesn't have a legal mandate to eradicate her at the moment, though she's clearly made herself apparent as a danger to the mission, he won't tolerate any further disturbances from her. The kiss and plucky taunting he couldn't really care less about, in his mind it was just a tactically stupid thing to do, he's neurologically incapable of taking things personally. :P

Lawtan 11-22-2013 03:47 PM

Hmm...I'll have to work a bit better on that...maybe start looking up the patent designs for such things...
I was going to have her wracked with pain...but I didn't want to take her out of the fight...especially when she has a chance to redeem herself from being a danger by helping out.

No read-y!

Suzerain of Sheol 11-22-2013 03:54 PM


Gallagher 11-22-2013 03:54 PM

dawweeee, worried about my delicate sensibiiities, love? Well joke's on you, that just made me want to read it anyway!

... Law no. not the kind he's talking about. one is given to raise the vein for insertion. If the vein is missed because it wasnt properly raised, medicine goes strait into the muscle and things, which not only HURTS but makes your quick recovery even more impossible.

Lawtan 11-22-2013 03:57 PM

Oh...
*Medical knowledge limited to boy scout first aid...and things you don't survive.*

Suzerain of Sheol 11-22-2013 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Gallagher (Post 1600276)
dawweeee, worried about my delicate sensibiiities, love? Well joke's on you, that just made me want to read it anyway!

... Law no. not the kind he's talking about. one is given to raise the vein for insertion. If the vein is missed because it wasnt properly raised, medicine goes strait into the muscle and things, which not only HURTS but makes your quick recovery even more impossible.

Intravenous infiltration. Hope you didn't need your arm for anything for the next 3 weeks! Uggggh.

Gallagher 11-22-2013 04:01 PM

Naw, Law, it's all good. That's why we're here to help you get the hang of things.

I mentioned this specifically in the character research thread you made, but the same goes for writing outside of creation:

Even if you think you know how something works, do some quick research on it anyway!

You can have the most unrealistic, fantastical story universe in the world, but how do you make it believable and engaging? With the little details.

Espy 11-22-2013 06:01 PM

Just impulse-bought an Eluveitie CD...-groans-

Hahaha...research. I've done too much (?) research for this RP.

Lawtan 11-22-2013 06:08 PM

*Envies Espy now*
And...I am figuring out how everyone knows so much.
-I learned everything from 30+ year old books-

Espy 11-22-2013 06:16 PM

Wikipedia plus other sites. I used to spend entire afternoons just going through wikis.

Lawtan 11-22-2013 06:29 PM

Mind if I ask what other sites?

Gallagher 11-22-2013 06:32 PM

Getting super awesome at rping/writing in general is a lot being like a game character.

Different people start out different ways. Some without a clue, some with a fairly good idea of what they want, and some just get lucky.

To get good, you have to work at it. There are basic skills that everyone needs (though some can later be passed over by very advanced players).

It isn't enough to just do it a lot (though getting that exp IS important!), you have to actually SPEND those skill points you get. And your research is what that goes towards.

You can specialize in certain kinds of characters/stories (Espy is really good at the kind Espy does, but once out of that element, things get a little awkward), or you can learn about a lot of different things (then take the blow when you can't make someone as hardcore as Suze or Salone do).

No matter what way you go about it, it'll take time and thought. Feel out what works for you. There's no level cap, so if your build isn't working, don't look for the restat option, just add to your skill pool. You never know what will come in handy.

And again, I'll encourage you to look up proper research articles and forum discussions between real people. Figure out how to google well, that will help a lot. Break it down, be specific and smart about what you need, and if you're not sure yet, start with the basics and work out from there.

Lawtan 11-22-2013 06:41 PM

*Admits right now to being highly frustrated, but will keep working*

Suzerain of Sheol 11-22-2013 06:47 PM

I used to spend a lot of time on TVtropes and Spacebattles. Tons of information on TVtropes in simple to absorb formats, just don't... talk to anyone there. Really. Don't. Spacebattles is one of the biggest sf/fantasy boards iirc, tons of really smart people there who talk about everything under the sun. Just kind of absorb stuff by osmosis. (Lots of really stupid people, too...)

Other than that, lots and lots of reading. I have an entire bookshelf of "research" for the kinds of writing I do, plus I go to university for classical and medieval literature and poetry, so I've gotten a lot from there too. (With some postmodern thrown in for good measure...)

Beyond that... I can honestly recommend Youtube. There are some really good documentaries you can find on this sort of stuff if you have the time to watch them. (I usually game and watch something in the background, while playing another game on my phone, while posting on Tris, while talking on Skype...)

And finally, just reading really good writers can help your actual prose a lot. I look at my stuff from a few years ago, before I read Erikson, Bakker, Donaldson, and others (all fantasy authors), and after, and the difference in quality is striking.

Studying film can help too in learning how to properly (and how NOT to) pace stories, since you can absorb an entire plot in a relatively short amount of time. Learning how to apply the basics to the written format, and then what can be added to enrich it in the available space of a novel, is essential.

Basically, the more knowledge you absorb, the more your imagination can draw on, combining things in new ways to make engaging stories and characters.

Espy 11-22-2013 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Gallagher (Post 1600341)
[SIZE="2"]You can specialize in certain kinds of characters/stories (Espy is really good at the kind Espy does, but once out of that element, things get a little awkward), or you can learn about a lot of different things (then take the blow when you can't make someone as hardcore as Suze or Salone do)./SIZE]

Yeah, I'm good at writing rather masochistic action-y or thought stuff. And occasionally smut. But everything else is just /what am I doing/.

Lawtan 11-22-2013 06:56 PM

...I may have to storm out for a while...
I am just so very frustrated with myself right now.

Suzerain of Sheol 11-22-2013 06:58 PM

Oh, some more general advice:

Know who your audience is, and know how to take criticism (I don't mean just don't take it personally). You have to have a clear idea of what you're trying to do with your writing, and what kind of person will enjoy it. And you need to be able to parse out good critiques from bad ones. If someone just doesn't get your writing and is telling you to change almost everything... they probably aren't the kind of person you're writing for. (Though good readers will be able to separate the difference between bad writing and something not being to their taste.)

Basically, just don't blindly take all the advice you're given. Question, doubt, and above all: LEARN HOW TO CRITIQUE! It's really important to know what NOT to do, and the best way to is to find what works and what doesn't in other people's writing. Not to mention, being able to see the flaws in your own work lets you have a clearer idea of what you're trying to achieve, what's lacking, and you'll know when you finally get it perfect.

Gallagher 11-22-2013 07:06 PM

I'm sorry this is so frustrating. Trust me, I know the feeling. I'm not as good as spewing out words like Suze over there. I often need half an hour to make just three sentences. We just want to help, though, because we DO see really good potential in your work. If we didn't, we would mostly just ignore you. We're kind of jerks like that.

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Originally Posted by Suzerain of Sheol (Post 1600343)
Studying film can help too in learning how to properly (and how NOT to) pace stories, since you can absorb an entire plot in a relatively short amount of time. Learning how to apply the basics to the written format, and then what can be added to enrich it in the available space of a novel, is essential.

This. Learning how to do proper pacing will help A LOT. This is one of THE biggest differences between a good story and a shit story, and people rarely have it click to point out "hey your pacing is weird". The most you'll hear is "Well it sort of dragged..." or "it was hard to follow" or some other nonsense that, really, we all know doesn't help at all.

Some moments are naturally slow, when nothing much is happening. When there isn't quick action going on, and characters have time to breathe. This is when your writing should breathe, too. Take this time to fill in details and fill in the surroundings for your reader.

Other moments are not. Other moments need blood, and action, impulse, reaction. Make it happen. No time for flowery nonsense when you're about to be gutted, or decapitated, or the one thing you need is going to be gone in just about ten seconds that you keep trying to waste on explaining how this is just like that one time when you were a kid! This would be the time to say fuck the rules, get a little run-on-y, get a few fragments. You ain't got time for that shit! Things are HAPPENING!

(okay so maybe don't actually just make a mass of run-on sentences, a bit not good.)

...

So I guess, all in all, get the details right, and know when to show it off.

Lawtan 11-22-2013 07:07 PM

I can't really explain, but I need help handling taking on too much, and there is always more to add to the pile. Taking on less is not an option.

Salone 11-22-2013 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Espy (Post 1600344)
Yeah, I'm good at writing rather masochistic action-y or thought stuff. And occasionally smut. But everything else is just /what am I doing/.

Espy? Smut? ...Really?

Gallagher 11-22-2013 07:11 PM

When too much happens, I usually just make a blanket burrito and roll around until I can brain things again.

DON'T YOU JUDGE ESPY, ESPY CAN SMUT IF ESPY WANTS!

Espy 11-22-2013 07:14 PM

Well, smut usually happens by way of drawing, but I haven't done smut in a /really/ long time.

EDIT: ALSO, SAYS THE PERSON WHO SOMEHOW MANAGED TO PAIR LEV UP WITH DANTE.

Lawtan 11-22-2013 07:20 PM

I am sorry...
I am sincerely trying to match up with you all.

Gallagher 11-22-2013 07:29 PM

Oh god, you're breaking my heart here.

Bbydoll, all of us are from different levels from one another, too. You don't need to match up, so long as your posts are enjoyable, and save for a few worries I've had that we might not be able to wiggle your character out of DOOM BECAUSE SHE IS SUCH A REBEL OMG WHYYY, I really enjoy your posts. We don't expect you to absorb everything we say overnight and become super amazing at it. I, for one, have been working on my rp skills for 9 years, and you're as good as I was with, pffft, even just a couple years ago omg.

Espy 11-22-2013 07:32 PM

...Have you seem the very first few Esch RP posts I ever made? /Those/ were shitty as hell. And that was only, what...uh...two or three years ago? You're doing way better than me when I first started. Stop worrying. Also, stop apologizing.

Salone 11-22-2013 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lawtan (Post 1600358)
I am sorry...
I am sincerely trying to match up with you all.

Aye, no worries mate. You had some large hurdles in front of you coming in, and your quickly adapting style in the face of never before encountered challenges is a testament to your willingness to overcome and grow. Mature stuff.

To Espy: Yes, but I am a manwhore. As far as I know I don't think I can recall you ever mentioning any sort of charged or "spirited" writing and/or images.

I am intrigued.

Quiet Man Cometh 11-22-2013 11:13 PM

Random IV and needle info! (From the perspective of a patient)


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