Everything in Hamlet is romantic~ Everything is done out of love, passion, revenge...all things springing from the very depths of love.

Ah. I guess you could make an argument there, though some might prefer to go with passion over romance, though I see the point. Love would have had it's role but I don't think it backed everything.

Hamelt loved his family, and Ophelia, and her family.

His stepfather loved power.

His father loved he and his mother.

Ophelia loved Hamlet and her family.

Her brother loved her, and Hamlet.

Her father loved her and her brother.

Hamlet's mother loved EVERYONE.

Hamlet's friends(Yes, I can spell their names, but I will not subject readers to that XD) loved him.

The invading guy(But I forgot his name) loves his people.


Love fueled~

Laertes, and I still think you're reaching a bit there Hermes. I imagine one could make those sorts of comments about almost any story. I'm still not buying Hamlet as a romance.

The movie- Rubber, was absolutely hideous.

Never heard of Rubber, sound a condom movie

I freaking LOVE horrible movies.

I blame Mystery Science Theater 3000 for me just not having the right reaction to awful films.

My favorite terrible movies have to be the Twilight films (so... much... pausing...), The Room, and Birdemic.

It is a Romantic Tragedy, a tragedy of romance... I believe all terrible deeds are committed of Passion born from great love of something, or hate of another.

And what is one without the other?

also...you sure the invading guy was Laertes, not Ophelia's brother?

Wasn't it, like, fortinbras?

Forgot about about him, but where was call for Laertes to be King by the people at one point. Part of the reason I'm not buying it is because some of what you mentioned feels like assumption, like who loves who and what not. Hamlet's mom loves everyone, apparently, but she doesn't actually do anything in the story with that love.

Hamlet loved his dad yes, but did his dad love him as much or was his dad just miffed about being killed and insisted on revenge even though it sense his song to ruin. The ghost doesn't exactly tell him to quit at any point.

Does his Uncle actually kill Hamlet's dad because of a love for power or maybe jealousy at what his brother has? Which would come from envy and not love. He doesn't love Hamlet enough to not knock him off the throne or conspire to get him killed. Would you say he hates Hamlet though?

Hamlet loves Ophelia, yes, but doesn't do a darn thing about it being that he's too pre-occupied with his own play at madness to actually do anything about it. He only really brings it up when she's dead.

Hard to say much abotu Rosencranz and Guildenstern (best I can come up with for spelling without looking :p) seeing as there was this whole beheading mess.

It's a revenge tragedy I would say, but revenge doesn't need love to be behind it, though it's a reason. There is love in the story, most particularly between Hamlet and his father, Halmet and Ophelia, and Hamlet and Horatio. However, if anything, it's love that doesn't do a darn thing. Hamlet doesn't even mention his dad when he finally kills his uncle.

Hamlet is a great man of inaction. Spends too much time thinking and planning and very little actually doing anything until is all too late for pretty much anything. Fortinbras showed up with nothing to fight.

Spanglish was a movie I hated....though that could've been the fact that I was forced to watch it for a college class.

It might not have sucked so bad if I didn't have to take NOTES during it >w<

Spanglish was meh. It's okay once, never wanna see it again.

Quiet - I think it just depends on how you read into it. Best thing about great works like that ^_^

And semantics of course, like one's definition of "Romantic: ;).

Heard of Spanglish, never felt the need to see it. I hate taking notes during movies though. Makes things a little extra annoying at times, expecially since I tend to spend all my time staring at note paper rather than watching the movie.

I never seem to like the movies I get stuck watching in classes, the exception being Du Levande for Swedish class. That was a curiosity.

We had to watch the Patriot in a history class of mine, and take notes.

the first, and last, note in my book(as in, I wrote it twice)

Looked something like....

Do NOT piss off Mel Gibson OxO


Yes

I did whip out the red pen for it

We watched the Patriot in our U.S history, but he had to skip all of the good parts in the war because our teacher is a pacifist.

My question was, why would she have us watch a violent movie when she skips all of the violent parts

I don't think people that are THAT pacifistic should be allowed to teach, imo.

Especially history =/

I know it makes me laugh XD I just drew in class. I've seen the Patriot a bagillion times that I could care less about it

What's wrong with not liking violence? It's hardly any great stretch to want to avoid watching violent portions of movies. I certainly wouldn't say it makes someone a nutjob or anything.

We watched the beginning of Saving Private Ryan in social studies as an example of what happened at Omaha beach during D-day. Only watched the first few minutes.

Then in my 11th grade US History, we watched "O Brother Where art thou" I don't understand why that movie was played in History class. Like always I drew and doodled during the class movie time

No no XD I myself am a pacifist by nature.

I mean if yer to the point of "OMJ MEL GIBSON PUNCHES A GUY?! IM REPURTIN HEEM >C"

Ah. I got into a major debate on pacifism as a workable idiology in philosphy class once. I was annoyed with the article though. By the authors definition of pacifism, if you go to punch me and I duck, I'm not a pacifist any more. Yeah, right. >.<

I had to watch BraveHeart in one of my history classes in high school.

And Schindler's List (though you had to get your parents to sign a thing to watch it....if they didn't want you to-you got to watch the Diary of Anne Frank for the 5 billionth time) He only skipped over the nudity in the gas chambers...but he explained what was going on and everything.

Pacifism is simply not striking them back. In fact, evasion tactics are a great martial art to learn for any pacifist. If he takes a punch, and you block, NOW you are no longer a pacifist

I hated Twilight, my mom likes it but not obsessed with it. She just happens to like those kinds of things. I find it kind of odd for an older woman to like Twilight, but they do. I guess it reminds them of their tween to teen years. But still, I dislike the idea of them sparkling, the idea of Edward being abusive or well, Bella being WAY to psychotic for Edward. Like if she is not with him, she is completely suicidal. I don't understand that. Most romance novels I have read, the girl character was never suicidal or never that desperate. Also, the fact she got pregnant so young is a totally wrong on so many levels. Writing a book for tweens and teenagers should avoid pregnancy or at least limit the sexual activity. It is crazy but whatever, she wanted to write the pregnancy in like it was a good thing.

Splice, I saw the film, love the idea BUT hated how it ended and how it was all anti-cloning, anti-science feeling to it. I felt bad for their creation BECAUSE it had feelings, it had emotions but it had animal instincts. They should of been more careful and treating it like an experiment was a downfall. I just dislike the movie in general but when arguing about using genetics in that fashion, it is kind of a good movie to reference. I used it once to argue something and to bring up other valuable points on how genetics can be used in the wrong fashion. It worked lol... But at the time I had nothing else to offer as an example, besides maybe Planet of the Apes, considering that used genetics to create a super race of Apes... But not many people will realize that, unless they notice the new movie.

All the Scary Movies. I hated what they are doing to comedy. Luckily comedy came back but all those parody movies today are horrible. Cannot stand them.

Actually, blocking an attack is still an act of pacifism. It's still defensive, not offensive, so long as the block isn't followed by a hit of your own. It's probably not logical to block an attack if you're in a fight, though, especially if you can't retaliate with an attack. Dodging is still the better option if you're a pacifist caught in a fight.

That being said, any time that you need to defend yourself in an attack, you're perfectly capable of doing so without being any sort of hypocrite. Pacifism is the belief that violence is the least-preferable solution to a dispute, not a philosophy of self-sacrifice, "Oh, as a declared pacifist, I can't do anything so I'll just let this mugger stab me". Survival always wins out, and it always should.

This is all personal pacifism (which is my philosophy - I never, ever will cause harm to anyone if I can help it). Technically, the term "pacifism" in a more generic sense is supposed to mean a person's philosophy on war, not on personal encounters with violence (though the two bleed into each other, of course).

So the pacifist teacher fast-forwarding through war scenes would be logical... if that teacher was actually encountering a war, not a Hollywood re-enactment of historical events. That's just silly.


On another note: I am watching Twilight right now, with RIFFTRAX on. Oh god. So hilarious. Seriously, anyone who really love-hates terrible movies, look into RIFFTRAX. They're MP3s of comedians (of Mystery Science Theater 3000 fame, mostly) making fun of awful films.

Watching this has brightened my day considerably.

Talking new planet of the apes prequel thing? I'd rather there not be an explanatory movie myself. If kinda blows the ending of the original and remake if it's already known where the planet is.

I don't think it's odd for older people to read Twilight, or books marketed to younger audiences in general. There are Harry Potter books with non-cartoony covers probably for that reason, so that adults don't look like they're toting a kids book around.

Age perception of markets tends to be detimental for industries I think. Take a look at comics. Comics become a kids only thing and suddenly everyone must edit and censor everythinf for fear of exposing impressionable little kids to stories they shouldn't really be reading in the first place. It was happening to video games too, until it was pointed out that the market for them is much, MUCH larger than the average school aged child.

I love rants XD kills me time from boredom, I encourage rants. it'll help you with opinions with back up information as well as in aurum counts XD

My friend is rather fond of the you tube series that details how movies should have ended. The have one for Twilight up. It makes me giggle. :).

I know that series, I love the Toy story 3 ending XD

Didn't see that one. I only saw the one for Twilight (not sure which movie it was specifically) and the one for Return of the King. I do like the ending for Toy Story 3 though, even if it is something of the god-in-a-box variety, and predictable.

The Original toy story 3 ending made me cry a little bit

I know! So much drama and scary music and near death! *sniff*

Those toys went through torture in the day care >.<

Am I the only person who really hates the torture porn horror movie trend? I don't know if it's because a movie that just slowly details gruesome detailed torture again and again is boring to me (it is) or if I just don't have enough schadenfreude in me to enjoy watching annoying people get killed horribly. I mean articles you read on this trend talks about the 'excitement' and 'thrill' of watching them in this breathy way and I'm just like...wow. I didn't know sadism was such a secret kink for so many Average Joes.

Which is cool of course, but I can't enjoy my sadism in a public enviroment with popcorn and sticky theater floors xD but maybe that's just me.

I just hate people who are like 'Ohhhh well I guess a lil blood and guts scares you huh' I'm like motherfucker >T don't go assuming...I love splattergore but I prefer it presented in an almost comedic over the top way. Crappy 80s B movies and the like. And I love body horror, I'm a huge Cronenberg fan. But this new trend, idk. It just makes me uneasy. Too much 'watered down snuff film' for my liking.

I guess people think you can't make horror new and fresh without going over the top. Ah well.

Just wanted to get that off my chest. xD

Your Sig pic is HOT *drools*

Never heard it called "Torture porn" but yes, and I'm no fan of that either. I like horror films and watching people die in creative ways but insta-death by weapon x is one thing, watching death and harm scenes dragged out to unneccessary lengths for gratuitus affect is another. That stuff makes me feel sick.

I remember a period on the news where the topic of what was publicly appropriate was brought up. A movie theater had refused to show Brokeback Mountain because of content, and then promptly replaced it with Hostel. What. the. F***?

remember in America we're more open to violence more than sex. In Europe it's the other way around where they are more open about sex than violence

I'm in Canada, which I suppose could be somewhere between the two but is more or less closer to the USA I think, as far as culture goes. I do live in a very liberal minded area though.

It's not so much violence, as the type of violence. Hostel has been challenged in theaters on it's own, with arguments against it because of torture and misogyny.

America is more conservative than most of the countries in the world

Seems that way. It's more regional up here. Where I used to live it's quite conservative and something like Brokeback Mountain definately wouldn't have been at theaters, unless it was to look at mountain scenery. Hostel wouldn't have been here either.

For us Brokeback Mountains weren't in major theaters but they were in DVDs