Trisphee Questions
 

Hi I was wondering, is Trisphee considered a planet in a parallel universe? One with gods I suppose, reading the history, right? So I was wondering, how many suns does Trisphee have please? Also, can you tell me how many moons? It would also be very nice to know how many planets are in the system and what the name of the sun(s) is. Galactically speaking, would you say Trisphee is central or more like a rim locale?

Thank you.

Trisphee is a three-planet system orbiting a single sun, with a single moon (Toamna) that orbits all three planets by magic (because physics wouldn't work for this setup).

I don't believe anything has been established for the name of the sun or any galactic-level features.

Do you know by any chance if the planets are in the same elliptical plane? I don't ask capriciously, I ask because I want to do Trisphee astrology and so planetary movement is imperative to creating a system for that. One moon orbiting 3 planets by magic, maybe that is crystal technology. So we are on Kalin I see. You'd think after 60k, years on a planet we'd have a system of astrology for divination purposes. Anyhow, humans have the ability to create these things, I shall create a system for myself, but I sure would like to know relative size of the planets and how often the moon visits each planet. Most likely the planets are all in the same plane, however, perhaps magic makes this otherwise. The planets do rotate on their axis (daily) and orbit the sun (yearly) right? Maybe some are closer to the sun than others, your histories do not say.

There is astrology though I don't have the details on it. And yes, the planets are in the same ecliptic (not elliptical) plane, though their orbital periods are such that it's easier at some times than others to travel between them.

in a more general sense this is a queston i have had too, about the orbit of the planets, i thought they each had a moon though

Oh, that's right, Deivai does have a moon of its own in addition to Toamna, but I don't think Kalin or Quesaria do.

how does this affect their oceans or do they not have large salt-water masses? if they don't how do the fresh-water aquatic animals survive?

Here's where I stop speaking with authority and just start speculating as another user (but one that's read the writer conversations): They still have a moon -- Toamna, which magically exerts the force necessary to retain Trisphee's stability.

if it orbits all three it's force is much too weak at times and at others would have too much force meaning wildly fluctuating tides and plant-growth

As I said, magic; Toamna doesn't interact with Trisphee through physical forces -- its orbit is wholly impossible under physical mechanics.

Yes, but there is probably Crystal Technology holding it all together per the statement above. Thanks about the ecliptic plane, sorry about the spelling, I'm half demented, anyhow Choco's questions about tides are very interesting. So to recap:

One planet has a moon (Deivai). And there is another moon too that orbits all 3 of them. The planets orbit a sun in roughly the same ecliptic plane so we know that there will be eclipses and interesting things like that affecting seasons and tides. It's really rather amazing all the possibilities.

I don't like to reinvent the wheel. If there is extant astrology in the works I will leave it to you all. But it would have been nice to do some divination, wooley at best, based on the celestial bodies.

Edit: Coda ninja'd me.

We're working on astrology still, but we've got a long way to go with it.

well magic aside this means that all three planets have daily eclipses, the centered one double it's sisters, do you know how this affects since it would mess with weather and breeding cycles

That's not necessarily true; we don't get solar eclipses every month on Earth from our moon despite the fact that the moon is in our orbital plane. Sure, if they were PERFECTLY coplanar that might be an issue, but even a slight deviation would suffice.

the moon is smaller and has a larger orbit that the three planets on each other which would in a daily cycle each get one over-shadow by it's sisters barring the middle which would get two

How do you know the size of the planetary orbits choco, sorry I did not see that.

if it follows a 24 hour rotation like earth it would in a 24 hour period cross over the others, they all move together i assume in a way that would allow this moon to have phases so like the moon which would cross over the planets would too only they are much /much/ larger than a moon so they would be visible each time they crossed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8wgJK9S45I start at 45 seconds and assume the small sun is the moon surounding the three planets, now bretend the small sun is the three planets orbiting the sun, if they all rotate then they should have periods where they have lunar phases, because of the nature of gravity the moon, even if magically powered, should move in the same general way as the other planets. this means the moon would have to go closer and farther to the sun giving it phases, the planets following the same general angle would also move around meaning that they would have to each wax and wane in their daily orbit


short of it the planets would have to circle each other while circling the sun for a moon to be able to orbit all three of them, physics demands it. giving them roughly equal parts of the moon of course means they must be fairly level with each other which would mean they'd have to cross each other to rotate

If their orbits are at a very slight angle -- all it takes is to deviate from flat by one planetary diameter -- then eclipses will only happen when the planets are both coplanar and at the same point in their orbits.

but then that messes up the orbit of the moon in relation to the planets

do the planets not have phases to the moon or have only partial visibility?

No it doesn't, not any more than our own moon's orbit is messed up -- our moon is 5 degrees off the ecliptic plane but that doesn't cause any problems.

I can't see any reason not to have phases, and I figure that Toamna might not be visible in the sky during the part of the lunar month where it's on the other side of the sun from the observer.

but it would have to move around all the planets, if it takes 14 days to go around one then it mean copious amounts of time with no moon at all

Probably so. It stands to reason, really, that a moon that's only visible in the sky half the time, with a lunar month that's probably a large fraction of the solar year, that Toamna would be a mystical presence, and festivals would be scheduled around such events as its perigee or its first appearance of the season.

In fact, I would assume Nox Nocturnalis occurs on the perigee, since that's when Toamna would be closest.

as bullshitty as that is it would make sense though it still leaves a lot of questions unanswered and makes me worry about the aquatic life

Well, Deivai is home to the biggest variety of aquatic life, and it IS the planet with its own moon, so it sort of makes sense there too.

makes me wonder if the other two planets were uninhabited and if they used to be natural or is they were made by the peoples of the first

Well, remember that Trisphee's solar system used to be very different in the past until things got out of hand; Toamna's magically-enforced behavior is there to preserve the worlds, so there could easily be things there now that might not have evolved on their own where the planets are now.

is the sun dying?

I wonder why you ask that question Choco? *curious* Well after reading all this I think it would be difficult to do a divination system without having actual details of eclipses and the effect of the roving moon and so forth. Very complex system. The only stumbling block is there is no real schematic of the orbits and relative distances and of the eccentric moon movement.

choco is one of those people who, if he has asked a question that leads to another, will keep asking until whomever he is asking says to go away X'D i know a little tiny bit about planets and physics and stuff so this is something i can know enough about to have a need to ask questions

exactly as nexy has said, everything speculated in this thread is answerable with magic >.>

but 'magic' is usually the answer you give when the real answer is either impossible or something you don't know the answer to (it is a bad answer like 'because i say so')

Well, in this case, Trisphee's orbital mechanics are EXPLICITLY stated to be physically impossible, sustained by magic created by Taskal.

Actually went to talk to my Astro physics professor about it.... Yeah it is physically impossible in this nebula. The planets would have to be 2 times the mass of the moon each and so close together that their gravitational fields would merge making it one large field for the to rotate them all and the single moon would have to be so close into the orbit that it only got into one of the gravity fields and have enough mass to ignore the weaker pull of the other ones. He was oddly interested in this.... but basically the physics required to explain it would require a PHD in astrophysics and a lot of very specific circumstances to create a livable environment.

I like the magic explanation better than actually trying to understand everything that he was stating.

i know dear but this is still such an awkward answer XD makes my head swim trying to curb all the 'but's hahahahha~

a lot of the story is so dry and conveluted that my actual history class seemed enthralling and i /love/ history, even the drier stuff, this is just grind

I actually found a lot of the story interesting. Not many avatar sites actually take the time to put such a detailed back story. And sometimes magic is a good answer to certain things.

Like with anything harry potter related, lolol.

But seriously. I don't see why it's such a bad thing for the answer to legitimately be 'magic'. Especially if there is a whole story devoted to how it was created.