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Kali_Namir 07-12-2012 01:07 AM

Look what I fail at!!!...Pixels...
 
So I tried my hand at pixeling, but I think I failed at it.

What do you think???



Base came from here...
And I used tutorials from there to help me with shading...
Also used tutorials from here...

Sooo...for my first try how did I do???

Any tips or other helpful sites???

Twisted Alyss 07-12-2012 01:25 AM

I think you did pretty good for your first try, this was mine yaers ago lol X See you did better than me. I liked how yours came out,I dont even do shading. So nope you didn't fail :3

Kali_Namir 07-12-2012 01:30 AM

I suck at drawing or I would have tried my hand at something like yours...

Funny thing is I made that outfit based on things in my closet...and all with a touch pad mouse...

littl3chocobo 07-12-2012 01:33 AM

well, i would suggest hair XD but it is fairly good for a first try. going to tell you right now though, pillow shading is a very bad habit to get into, it makes it look very amateur no matter how many you do, pick one of the four corners of the next one you work with and put a big yellow circle in it, pretend that is the sun and make /that/ the point of light, it will help you so much more

Kali_Namir 07-12-2012 01:40 AM

See that's the part that is extremely hard for me...I can't seem to visualize the correct lighting...

littl3chocobo 07-12-2012 02:15 AM

which is what the dot is for, if you can see the sun you can see where the light is

Ginger 07-12-2012 04:46 AM

I think your pixels look great! You should definitely aim for the next item design contest.

Kali_Namir 07-12-2012 01:04 PM

I might...idk...that also take the ability to come up with ideas...

If anyone has some good shading tutorials that'd be really helpful since that's really what I massively fail at...

Twigg 07-14-2012 04:34 PM

Firstly, I think you have a good start! The pillow shading has already been addressed, so I won't get into that, but one big big big thing to ALWAYS remember, is that you should never save as a jpeg. Always save as a png or as a gif, if you have transparency (which I can show you how to do, without having to use photoshop). Because when you save as a jpeg it gets all grainy looking, which isn't good. ^^

Kali_Namir 07-14-2012 04:40 PM

Yeah...I normally try not to, but I wasn't paying much attention the night I saved it...

I'll re-save it and upload it better when I get back from dinner...

Twigg 07-14-2012 04:42 PM

Okay! Just wanted to make sure that you knew, cause surprisingly, a lot of new pixelists don't know that. I can't wait to see it. :)

Kali_Namir 07-14-2012 07:13 PM

Updated...Not sure if I did it 100% correct, but it's saved as a PNG nows...

Nevermind...gonna have to re-do it, like entirely...stupid paint program...

Lost_Fantasy13 07-14-2012 08:51 PM

its very good for a first try kali!
Keep it up!!

Kali_Namir 07-14-2012 08:53 PM

The main thing is that I don't exactly know what pillow shading is or how badly I did it...All I know is that it's a bad thing...

But the Lovely Twiggy has offered to help me with shading and the such! YAYS!!! I may actually get good enough to enter an item contest!!!

Mizeria 07-15-2012 04:59 AM

I was more thinkin maybe pixelist someday Kali xDD

Espy 07-15-2012 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twigg (Post 1273603)
Firstly, I think you have a good start! The pillow shading has already been addressed, so I won't get into that, but one big big big thing to ALWAYS remember, is that you should never save as a jpeg. Always save as a png or as a gif, if you have transparency (which I can show you how to do, without having to use photoshop). Because when you save as a jpeg it gets all grainy looking, which isn't good. ^^

...What's pillow shading? And...you can get transp without PS?

Kali_Namir 07-15-2012 01:06 PM

Lols. If I get that good, Fen Fen can have my skills...

But at this point I'm just gonna aim for item contests...

Gallagher 07-15-2012 04:34 PM

Pillow shading is shading that's based heavily on where the outlines are, and not quite so much the general 'sun' thing people do. It CAN be used in very specific situations, such as when the subject is extremely close to a light source, and said light source happens to be between the subject and the viewer... But as you can imagine, these situations are few and far between! And by the time you even get into specifics like that, you can probably do it better.

I took a look at the tutorials you used, and I can see why you ran into a bit of trouble.

Maybe this one will help more: link!

Another thing I would suggest is working on getting rid of the stiff feeling. I'd suggest doing basic flats or simple shading if different cloths and clothing items. I'm pretty sure you can use your own to reference, yeah? But getting a looser, more natural feel will help leaps and bounds, too.

Twigg is brilliant at what she does. If she's helping you, I'm sure you'll do well.

Kali_Namir 07-15-2012 04:39 PM

Stiff?

And the main problem I ran into is the shading of the skirt...

I tried to focus on a light source with the shirt, and tried to do the same with the skirt, but I didn't understand how in the heck to do the skirt and still have definition of the fold-thinggies...

I saw that tutorial and other than telling me what I already knew about the lighting thing (that I really did try to do) it didn't seem like much help...

Gallagher 07-15-2012 05:02 PM

It's a little difficult to tell with the quality, I must say. You could try making the source further to the side.

You really can't be afraid of going bold and using many tones to get the effect you need.

sdzfkgzdivgb I'd doodle you something really quick if I wasn't about to die from pain.

Kali_Namir 07-15-2012 05:04 PM

Yeah, the way that was saved killed it...but I'm gonna try again with the shading...but the skirt still alludes me...

The pallets I'm using are 6 color pallets...

I may just leave the skirt blank for now until I understand it better...but the shirt I'm gonna try again...

Gallagher 07-15-2012 05:10 PM

Keeping to things with fewer folds would probably be a good plan, then work your way up.

I totally skipped the stiff point, and I'm sorry. Working up to folds will be what really helps with the stiffness, but until then, things like not making the edges too straight, or the clothes too perfectly lined with your base... And, for example, that left (subject's left) shoe shouldn't be flat on the ground like the right is. Her foot is tilted, so part would be off the floor.

Keep in mind that I don't pixel, lmao. Your try here is better than my first one was.

Kali_Namir 07-15-2012 05:15 PM

I know...the shoes are a massive fail...but I tried...

I'm kinda working on a simpler yellowy prom dress thinggy...but idk...

Gallagher 07-15-2012 05:18 PM

Pssh. Confidence, girl! Just keep trying, and don't be afraid of getting input. Some of us are actually helpful! ... Us that aren't me! Bwaha!

But really. Hard work wins over natural talent every time when it comes to art.

Kali_Namir 07-15-2012 05:22 PM

I'm a pessimistic person...so optimism is rather hard...and I'm a worse critic for myself than anyone else...

Gallagher 07-15-2012 05:23 PM

Well, everyone judges themselves worse than everyone else.

It's settled then. Post things so we can tell you how amazing your progress is, mhm.

Kali_Namir 07-15-2012 05:27 PM

I will, but it won't be for a couple days, homework comes before pixels...

I hope I can get a little better when I get a tablet...although I'm still not sure what kind to get, although in the thread I've got, bamboo has been the main one mentioned...

Gallagher 07-15-2012 05:30 PM

Mine's a bamboo fun, pen and touch, but it turns out the touch bit really was unneeded extra cost. I never use it, lol... Works beautifully, though. Had it a couple years now.

Kali_Namir 07-15-2012 05:32 PM

I found the Wacom Bamboo Capture Graphics Tablet for $99 but I'm not sure it's the best so far...it does come with a variation of photoshop though...

Gallagher 07-15-2012 05:32 PM

Lol, I still don't know how to use my photoshop...

Kali_Namir 07-15-2012 05:33 PM

Lols...I'll probably stick with paint, but still...

Gallagher 07-15-2012 05:37 PM

Paint works perfectly well for those sorts of pixels, yeah. If you do decide you want to try Tris style, though, photoshop will really come in handy.

Kali_Namir 07-15-2012 05:40 PM

Well Mizzy's the one that brought that up...right now I'm just aiming for getting good enough to enter item contests...

I did have a random question...which direction is the light based with Tris items???

Gallagher 07-15-2012 05:47 PM

Generally, the top, far corner (far being the avi's right). This is pretty standard positioning for a lot of people. It can be kind of hard to see on some items.

Kali_Namir 07-15-2012 05:49 PM

Interesting...I wish I could do the pixel class...or at minimum sit in on it...but Oh wells...lols...

Gallagher 07-15-2012 05:51 PM

Fen does shading so fast, you might miss it even if you are watching.

Kali_Namir 07-15-2012 05:52 PM

Yeah I noticed last time I watched the live stream...

Gallagher 07-15-2012 05:54 PM

She's pretty much always quick as anything. Even when she's kind of distracted. It's amazing.

Kali_Namir 07-15-2012 05:55 PM

I will never be that good...although that would be really awesome if I were...

I'm really glad the lovely Twiggy is gonna help me some...she's working on a tutorial type thing to help me with shading and the such!

Gallagher 07-15-2012 05:59 PM

I hope that she just so happens to use what she's supposed to be pixeling for me as examples.

... Because that would mean it's actually getting done.

...... Not that I would ever rush her... Nooo, of course not.


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