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I don't believe that death made the wand. I believe a really powerful wand maker did. I honestly don't think anyone can make a wand like the original elder because people are too afraid of death. People cant embrace it. Especially these days! And elder wood is not that easy to work with ive heard. and remember what hagrid said? He thinks he has the only docile(or whatever) heard in Britian. It takes a lot to do that. Thestrals are hard to tame. So getting thestral hair would be extremely hard especially since you have to see death to get it. Oh and seeing death makes you more afraid of death most of the time.

Well yes. But still kelpie hair core is not a volatile core. They are dangerous yes. They are evil yes. But not temperamental. Being temperamental causes a volatile core. Kelpies are many things but they are not volatile. They do not have crazy emotions. In fact I'm pretty sire they don't have emotions

That's an incredibly large assumption to make. You don't think, as long as it's been since then, there has never been a wandmaker capable of working with it? Never anyone skilled, who would have the knowledge to even think to go after something like that in the first place? Ever? If it's known to be hard to work with, then it's known to be used and worked with. Out of all the people that have, no one was able to pull it off, and no one will be able to? Personally, I do not buy that. At all. The fact that it was done before so long ago is what I find astounding, considering it would have been even harder then with fewer people to even try.

Volatile doesn't just mean temperamental. Considering they manipulate and trick before they kill, I count that as a sudden, explosive shift, which is on par with the definition. So long as it threatens to break out in violence at any time, which from what I understand is, in fact, in their nature, I consider them to be volatile.

You also have to take into account wand makers are few and far to find. The act of wand making is hard. And only the best of the best would be able to make that wand. Plus they have to make a living? Why try to name one wand when they need to make lots for people. I do not see any great wand maker waisting their time trying to make an elder wand when they would rather make wands for kids or adults that have broken their wand? I do not think many people would attempt it. This is my opinion.

No. That's not what I'm trying to say!! XD
I am saying because the veela is temperamental it makes the wand volatile.
Kelpies do not make volatile cores. If so all the kids who got wands for hogwarts from ollivanders father would have had volatile wands :/ would not be a fun school year. So many wands going off and shiz. If it were don't you think his father would have found something more tame to use?
Trust me I know for a fact kelpie hair is not a volatile core.

Also. I love this. Leprechaun hair might be popular among Irish Wizards, and Hippogriff Talon could result in a wand that demands respect. I forgot to show you these things before.

It doesn't exactly have to be a life's work. You can make other wands and still have time to work on something like that. And, just because few are talked about, that doesn't mean they're not out there. For people to compare in the first place means there have to be options. Being the best means there have to be options. All the reasons why a wandmaker wouldn't attempt it today, why would they make it more likely for someone to have that long ago, when it would have been an even more difficult business?

It's not like even volatile wands are actually sentient. They wouldn't be acting out constantly. But if it's established that it's substandard, that doesn't mean that it's solely due to power by any means. And, considering that those cores you DO count as volatile are in fact still used... -shrug- The time and cost of making wands matters, too. Maybe his father just wasn't able to. Just because his son had the drive to discover these things for himself doesn't mean that his father had that ambition or drive to.

Ohh? Where did you find those at!

It would take a big chunk of time. Trying over and over again. I know I.wouldn't want to do that. I'm just saying that's what I believe. Maybe one day someone will be able to make an equally powerful wand or one even stronger. But it will take time.

I know. But many use the substance because its part of their customs. The French revere their veelas and many who are descendants use their grandmother or great grandmothers ect hair for their wand because they think it makes them powerfuler. And its more connected to them. Kelpies were not a British custom. I know for a fact kelpie hair is not volatile.

I read that a long time ago and just remembered! I refound the site. I KNEW I read something about leprachauns I just forgot what it was. But remember it says might. We don't know for sure
totally love the hyppogriff talon. Would be excellent... xD imagine bowing to it every day (joking)

I think that it may have already been done, but not known about it. I know that if I managed it, I certainly wouldn't spread the word.

You say that you know for a fact, and I do respect your knowledge on kelpies, but I do not see how you could know that for a fact. Custom is a good reason, but I don't think it's the only one.

Eh, it's waaaay too easy to speculate on all the parts of all the magical creatures and plants that could be used, lol.

That is true... seeing the reaction to the original one. It would make sense to keep it hidden. But why make it then?

It is easy to find out though. You can easily tell if a core is volatile or not by simply using it. Kelpie hair wands do not act volatile at all. They are easily managed and such.

that is true. I read somewhere that they use hyppogriff feathers for wands but they did not give reasons or anything. They just said it which makes me feel like they made it up just to say it.

To see if you can? To have it yourself? If you're a wandmaker with ambition and dedication enough to keep at it, doing it is enough of a reward. I would like to think, at least.

Except... We don't have any real cases of it being used for you to know that. Even the cases of known volatile wands didn't have any episodes. In fact, the only ones that did were not of sub par materials.

Still, it's cool to think about. I'd like to see what other PLANTS are used if anything!

on the elder wand issue, the wand transfers allegiance even if its not present for the power change. so either its some magic long forgotten or unicorns made it

Possibly.. if they were like ollivander but not everyone is that wand crazed.

But also it goes to back to the fact of temperament. I know you don't believe that but its Provence that temperamental creatures produce volatile wands I: kelpies are rather adaptable creatures. And work best with transfiguration. But they are not volatile

Very cool to think about. I: we would make such great wand makers. We would be and unstoppable force in the wand making world

Any wand will transfer allegiance if it senses their master has been over taken. It is just a rule of wands

Actually, no, not all wands do, and most do not do it to the degree that the elder wand does.

Ollivander is a bad example. He is most certainly not a man with the best intentions. Not particularly bad, no, but.

I think the main issue here is our definitions of volatile.

Pfft. You and me would be hardcore rivals.

but there are many cases in which wands dont change allegiances, harry disarmed draco to get allegiance but when (for example) lupin disarmed harry lupin didnt becomer master of his wand :o

It depends on the flexibility of wands :/ but yes even one that is brittle has a chance of changing hands.

No I meant he is fascinated by wands. Not many are on his level of fascination.

Haha probably so.

D: wut... noooooo....

It's by no means a rule, and there's more than just the flexibility to take into account. Both the core and the wood matter, too, as well as how well the wand and wizard work together. There is a chance, yes, but by no means a rule, and though they can be used by others, that doesn't mean they have their loyalty. Some wands would rather die, as literally as an object can die.

I know that its not a rule. I was just saying it has a chance xD you also have to take into consideration the intentions of the person as well
So many things @-@