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Well, your actions certainly helped these thoughts grow much stronger, Hermes. Looking at what you do, love = making out. And because of that, girls get used that guys don't really don't need anything else and think that good sex is passssionaaate loove.

Oh, yea. That happens. Or trying to make that girl jealous by bluffing that they will be father soon. >o> or something equal to that.

My boyfriend cried but nothing like that more of anger hostility? He couldn't cry anymore to get out of his system but he hardly cry over things. Most of the times, girls cry a lot more than guys depending where it is and their life situation of their relationship.

Yuki, I guess that just means that Swedish men have the sense not to wear Edward Cullen on their sleeves. B:

Rainy, I wouldn't be so pessimistic about boys. =/ A lot of teenage and young adult males are like that, but there are definitely ones that are quite the opposite and worthy of your affections.

Oh, Lucid, I am not pessimistic. I am talking only about most guys under 25 (yes, there are probably exceptions, I can't and won't put hand over my heart and swear there is none). I really don't see anyone who could calmly be next to me and wait till I grow up. But I am not yet 17, I have plenty of time to grow up and wait. But I don't like when someone tries to make me grow up before my time.

No, I love somebody for their personality, and also, a great portion comes from how I connect with them on an intellectual level. In all honesty, this whole affection-loving shit that I do on here? Is just me having a little bit of fun, nothing else, and I find it unfair that you would judge me solely on what little you know of me from the internet. I have not ONCE kissed my girlfriend, hell, I haven't even HELD HER DAMN HAND. And you know what? I love that girl. I don't require physical attention, at all, but like to play around on the internet. Making out? Just a pleasant after-effect, I suppose.

The truth of the matter is, if that's what you think of me....you don't know me, at all.

My boyfriend cries over a lot of things even over his depression and things at life. He's sincere and knows what he wants. He doesn't care much for sex. Of course guys would want that, that's typical because they think with their groin and believe love is passionate with sex while girls is the other way around. I know him and how he is. He wants someone who loves him. Not someone to be his sex toy for that matter.

@Hermes: Exactly. I know where you're coming from and I do understand from Rainy's point of view.

Well men are by nature more horny in most cases. In most cases. I don't think there's much you can do about that. They'll have to learn how to deal with it eventually. But I don't think it's a huge deal. There are LOTS young guys as well who aren't sex addicts. I know a couple of those actually. They are all under 25.

*is, in all honesty, terrified of sex* o.o

now that's a smart way to look at it, waiting for both yourself and for him to grow up. but I do know that there are boys under 25 who are very mature and grown-up. one of my best friends just turned 17, and he has the maturity of a 70 year old. and some boys just never mature, no matter how old they get. it might be hard to find the mature, responsible ones sometimes, but once you do, it's easier to find more.

*Huggles Hermes and pets top of his head*
@Lucid: I totally agree.

Me too...in real life people screw up and get some nasty shit. It happens even to those who are really careful. Condoms and shit. It's not 100% guarantee. Not that tempting. :B

BTW, I'm not trying to fight with you, I consider this healthy debate...

Congratulations on finding exception then, Bina. C: Like I said, I am sure there are some somewhere. And I hope to meet such exception one day, too, someone who understands even written making out is betrayal of the other (then you could as well say that playing sex site between sleeping with your wife is just spending a good time, too, or having a lover is, too) in a way.

Oh, I am not arguing either, just expressing my opinion. What is the point in arguing, if we both will keep our thoughts? That's each personal freedom.

In a way, these talks and Internet as a whole, shows me what I want to sse in my boyfriend and what I certainly won't be able to stand in a person, or a guy.

Yes, Lucid. I seen it all the time and there's nothing for me to worry about. x3 *hugs Lucid, Hermes and Rainy*

Use Wikipedia.

even I am a lot more affectionate online than I am in real life. I mean, I was licking and nibbling on Dem the other day, and that's not something I'd do in real life... online I pounce, I hug, I snug, I throw boob pudding. offline, I mostly just hug my closest friends.